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First Steps

I’ve been putting this post off for a week or so, primarily because I wanted to finish a book I was reading so this could also be a book review of sorts, but also because my putting this in the public sphere is, well, making it public. I don’t know why that bothers me so much, but for some reason I have a bit of anxiety about it. I guess it all boils down to not wanting criticism and not wanting to look foolish if things don’t work out. But this is where I am at right now, and this is my blog, so here goes: Ryan and I are taking the first steps toward adoption.

If you read my blog, you’ve heard me reference infertility and the desire for children before, so this might not be that big of a surprise. I suppose it’s the “real life” element that makes me the most anxious, as I feel much more at ease telling the entire faceless cyber world that I am infertile than I do my friends, family, students, and co-workers. But that fear is slowly dissipating, and God has truly been with me over the past month in a tangible way I have not experienced since college.

This story probably begins long before the beginning of this year, as I will come to discover in time as I reflect upon things, but for me it starts in the doctor’s office on January 11. February 1st would make a year since Ryan and I began trying to start a family, but being the impatient person that I am, I had already made an appointment for January. My doctor was very straightforward with me, explaining that she had no concerns, nothing I told her was abnormal, sometimes it just takes time for couples to conceive, and she would suggest for us to just keep trying and stay patient and stress-free. She obviously doesn’t know me very well! I was not satisfied with this response, and continued to press her. Truthfully, my goal was to walk out of the office visit with a prescription for Clomid and hopefully a pregnancy the next month – ha! She finally gave me the cold, hard facts: she could not do anything without hormone and semen testing first, this would cost around $1,600, and insurance does not cover anything related to infertility.

I left the office in a daze, went out to our Jeep, and cried, no, a better word would be mourned, all the way home. Perhaps some of you are having trouble seeing the problem, but for me $1,600 is not pocket change. I don’t want your sympathy, but Ryan and I have chosen to work at a ministry where we make around $12,000 a year combined. There is no way we can justify paying $1,600 for testing that might show an abnormality, or might show no problem at all. That price tag for “just finding out” is extremely too high for us and our peace of mind. So where did that leave me? Utterly hopeless. I woke up the next morning – Tuesday, January 12 – literally feeling like a piece of me had died. I awoke feeling the heavy weight of mourning the unborn children I felt like I had been told I would never meet. I realize that perhaps sounds melodramatic or extreme, but it’s the truth. I simply felt like my dream of having a biological child had been ripped from me and there was nothing I could ever do to get it back.

And then, only a few hundred miles away from me, Haiti experienced a devastating earthquake. And so did my life.

It’s truly inexplicable, as these things surely always are, but as soon as I found out about the quake in Haiti I became obsessed with it. Part of it for me undoubtedly was that we have a simply adorable little 7th grade student at our school from Haiti and I was very concerned about both him and his family. But it was more than that too. I’d always known that Haiti had an abundance of orphans, but for some reason seeing it in newsprint only a day after my lowest of lows illuminated a whole new world. It was as if in the midst of so much sadness and devastation, both for Haiti and even for me, God was showing me a glimmer of hope. No, glimmer isn’t the word – it was more like a huge ray of hope bursting through the door, forcing the door wide open!

And so I began getting serious about adoption. I contacted several people I knew who had adopted, asking them for information. I began finding what information I could online. Here is where God really started navigating! It didn’t take long for me to be smacked in the face with the reality that I knew existed: Ryan and I cannot afford a domestic or international adoption on our salary. It would be virtually impossible. I’m not saying that if God wanted us to adopt internationally it would not happen; I truly believe that if that were His plan the funds would make themselves available in some way. What I am saying is that God has shown Ryan and me another path over the past month: Special Needs Adoption.

I don’t know about other states, but Kentucky’s Special Needs Adoption program is seemingly too-good-to-be true (but it is true!). Virtually all costs are covered – a fact that I must be straightforward in saying is a big part of why Ryan and I are taking this route. But for us, it’s more than that. God has called us to a mission field where every day we work with students who have been rejected in some form. We encounter precious children every day who feel as if no one wants them. While our ultimate goal is to point them to Jesus, it is our desire to show them Jesus through ourselves. We want to help them find both a sense of home and identity through Christ, but also through our ministry. Although we fully realize that adopting a child is much different than spending 5 hours a week with them, we still feel like God is pointing us to this specific type of adoption in a variety of ways, one of which is our choice of ministry.

I’m the type of person that doesn’t want to enter into any big decision without first discerning what God would have me do. I’ve found in my life, though, that this can be a tricky process. Although I had much trepidation about this decision, God has made it pretty evident what we should do. Like I said, I contacted several people I knew who had each done a different type of adoption. While everyone who responded to my query was friendly and helpful, the Special Needs adoptive mom I contacted went above and beyond to give me information and answer all my pesky questions. I truly feel like I have found a kindred spirit in this woman, and I thank God for her! I don’t want to live my life on the lookout for “signs” telling me what to do, but if ever there was one, this is it! I don’t think I can chalk it up to coincidence that the one Special Needs contact I had has been positively amazing in helping me.

When I told my parents about the direction Ryan and I were headed, my dad immediately had my mom log onto Amazon and order Russell D. Moore’s book Adopted for Life for us. This book has changed my life, and if I could force it upon you so that your life would be changed, believe me, I would! I hope it is not, but if this book turns out to be the last book my father ever gives me, then I could not ask for anything better. In this book, Moore operates on the basic thesis that as Christians we have no choice but to adopt or at least support adoption in some way. It is our obligation as adopted children of God. Do you realize how radical that statement is? If not, read it again. If every church and every Christian implemented Moore’s vision, we would have empty orphanages and no one bouncing from home to home in the foster system. We would have millions of dollars supporting orphanages and adoption programs. Adoption would not be viewed as something to be ashamed of, or kept hush-hush, or even looked down upon as a last resort for those who can’t get pregnant. Adopted children and biological children would not be given labels. They would simply all be children, and all be children of God. And, although Moore doesn’t directly state this, I will: if we, as Christians, are going to be so vocally pro-life, it’s time to talk the talk and walk the walk by adopting children. Let’s show our pro-life stance not by slapping a stupid bumper sticker on our car, but instead by calling an adoption agency or writing a check. It’s ludicrous for us to be so condescending toward women who choose to abort their children if we are not going to do anything to help them. Why should we expect a woman to give life to her child if all she sees are children sitting in orphanages or being abused by foster parents? That doesn’t seem like a better option to me. But if we, as Christians, would step up to the plate and create a culture of adoption in both our homes and our churches, things could radically change.

I had decided Ryan and I would read Moore’s book and then make our final decision. I was going to read it cautiously, on the lookout for anything that might be an indication that we should not pursue adoption. HA! If you have not had your way of thinking totally revolutionized by the time you reach the fourth chapter of Moore’s book, then you’re probably too self-absorbed. Before I even got to the heart of the book I was ready to go! Like I said, I wish I could force everyone I know – specifically other infertile/childless couples I know – to read this book, because I found it life-changing. By the time I was finished, I was seriously praying, “Lord, please don’t let me get pregnant this month because I want to adopt!” and that’s been my feeling ever since. See what I mean about God tangibly at work in my life? I have spent the last 11 months feeling sadness and longing like I’d never felt before. Only God could heal those wounds and radically change the desire of my heart. I know I am not capable of that on my own.

So there it is. Ryan and I have made the initial phone calls and will be starting our required ten weeks of training sometime in April (if not sooner, pray for sooner!). Until then we are trying to enjoy time together and learn as much as we can about what we will be getting into! I’ve posted this so that if you pray, you can join us in praying for our family – our family as it is now, plus whatever children God has waiting for us. I have not posted this so that you can criticize or give me words of warning. Let me be explicit in saying that we know adoption is a risk, and we know that Special Needs children are aptly named and of course have lots of challenges that they will bring with them, but at the end of the day we don’t care. Of course we don’t want to go into this with rose-colored glasses, thinking everything will be like the Brady Bunch. That’s why we are attending classes as well as doing research on our own. But no matter what, we do want to go into this. Period. Is it a risk? Yes. Will there be challenges? Oh yeah. But here’s the thought I keep coming back to: was it a risk for God to adopt me into His family? Yes. Did He have to do it? Certainly not. Do I always love Him and appreciate Him and show Him the love a child should? No, of course not. There have even been times I have spit in His face, times I’ve ran away from His home. But God knew all that and adopted me anyway. He gave me a home and an identity I would not otherwise have. I was an orphan, as were you, and God took us in and made us family. Isn’t doing the same for a child really the least I could do? Is it something you could do as well?

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for joining me in praying for our family.

87 Responses

  1. Best wishes on your family building!! Your life will never be the same again – and that’s a great thing!

    Catherine

  2. Incredible! I am so excited for you and love your attitude! It is refreshing to see God at work. Thank you Noel. You and your husband and your children will be in my prayers.

  3. I wish more people would stop spending so much money on trying to get pregnant, and use it to adopt. This is a very wise choice. I am very happy to hear your views on adoption. We will be praying for your entire family.

  4. Simply awesome. (And Russell D. Moore’s Adopted for Life is a great recommendation. I encouraged our adoption agency to get it, too.)

  5. Found your blog through my Google Reader and am an adult adoptee. In response to one of the previous comments, “I wish more people would stop spending so much money on trying to get pregnant, and use it to adopt.”, please know that the majority of adoptees would beg to differ with that point of view.

    Adoption equals loss. Loss of heritage, loss of medical history, loss of the Original Birth Certificate…

    Adoption equals loss..and pain..and grief.

    Please read Nancy Verrier’s Primal Wound before you decide to move forward…it will explain more about how we (adoptees) feel about the pain of our loss.

    • Cricket,

      I appreciate your voice in the conversation, and passion for laws and situations which you deem unjust.

      However, I want to know what you would say to my wife and I in particular.

      Is it psychologically or spiritually harmful for a child, who would inevitably be in the foster system until her 18th birthday, to be loved and supported by parents who adopted her? If not, then why is having children biologically superior than supporting a child who needs support? If so, what research, aside from anecdotes and personal stories, could you point us to that demonstrates how we would be harming a child in that situation?

      Have you considered that we understand adopting a child means we will be adopting a child who has suffered loss, and who has suffered trauma? However, we still want to love them. Not just because we want “to have” children, but because we see people, hurt people, worthy of love, be loved?

      We would love to see and change the culture of how young, single mother’s, and others, are pressured into giving up their children. The church should consider this as well. Yet, as Christians, it is imperative that we not give up on those children while we have them.

      In the second century, many Roman citizens had a practice of discarding unwanted female, or disabled, children. Christians were outraged. Of course, they wanted to change the practice, but they did not forget about the babies on the trash heaps. They loved them.

      Obviously, Noel and I are going through life changing steps here, not just for us, but for another person. I am interested in hearing your reactions to my thoughts. Thanks.

  6. I cannot even express in words how this post has moved me. As an adoptive mom, myself, I would have to take issue with Cricket’s comments.

    Obviously, I cannot argue with her feelings or the feelings of other adult adoptees. Her experiences and feelings are her own and I wouldn’t dream of belittling them or discounting them. In fact, unfortunately to some degree, she is at least partially right about some things. In our fallen world, it is true that adoptions sometimes go terribly wrong. People adopt with the wrong motives, with horribly off-base expectations of the children they bring into their family. Sometimes the wounds, the hurt, and the loss are just too much and a child is unable to get beyond the pain to reach out for love. But at the same time, that is not everyone’s experience. And even if a child is unable to accept that love, does that exempt us from offering it? No, indeed it does not. There are wonderful stories of life, of redemption, of healing that are only possible because of adoption–because God placed a lonely, hurting child in a family. My heart breaks for those, who believe as Cricket does, that we should be so self-absorbed as to spend thousands of dollars to make a “want” come true for OURSELVES when that money could be spent meeting the “needs” of hurting children.

  7. Hi Ryan,

    Yes, to answer your first question, it IS psychologically and spiritually harmful for a child to grow up without knowing their first family. What I am trying to say is that it doesn’t matter how much you (as adoptive parents in general) love that child…they will still feel the loss of their heritage and genetic makeup and first family.

    I am a reunited adoptee…and while my adoptive parents were abusive, even if they weren’t I would STILL have wondered on my birthday whether there was someone out there thinking about me the way I was thinking about them.

    Imagine my awe and wonder when I found out that there wasn’t a day that went by that my mother didn’t think about me..and love me.

    I know I can’t stop you or others from adopting…that’s not my point to blogging or commenting here…I just really want you to understand that one day, the child you adopt will grow up. And it’s important for you to think about how you’ll handle the tough questions..or even the possibility that they will want to search and have relationships with their natural families.

    To Lori,

    It is your right to take issue with my comments..but as I said to Ryan..I hope that when the time comes, you don’t take issue with the words your children may utter. They just might be the same words. Regardless of your love for that child, the loss will be there.

    Adoption causes loss..can you argue with that? I’m not being facetitious there…I’m actually curious about your response.

    To all of you, I sincerely hope that even if you can’t see my points of view that you will take the time to read my blog and the blogs of other adoptees. Check out Grown In My Heart’s website with the 101 Best Adoption/Fertility/Loss Blogs. They just might open your eyes and hearts to truths you haven’t been able to hear thus far.

    In peace,
    Cricket

    • Thanks for the response. However, you didn’t address the questions that I asked. In fact, you did what I was hoping you wouldn’t do, which is reply with your own personal anecdotes. This is not substantially helpful to us.

      As Christians we find things like “genetic makeup” and “first family” trivial. I suppose that makes me your ideological enemy, but then so be it. However, defining a person through something like “genetic makeup” is, in the Christian opinion, dehumanizing. The worldview which stresses “genetic makeup” is a worldview that is often at the heart of things like “ethnic cleansing.”

      We are more, much more, than biology.

      Sorry, but we don’t see “genetic heritage.” We see children of God. Surely, children of God who have suffered loss. Not the loss of “genetic heritage” or whatever, but of a loss of a first relationship. Our belief is that God calls us to love those people, and welcome them as His children. If you believe this is spiritually harmful, then we will simply disagree about what “spiritual” could ever mean.

    • Cricket,

      I probably was a little unclear in my previous post. I absolutely agree wholeheartedly that all of the things you are saying about children who are adopted eventually asking the hard questions and always (daily even) feeling keenly the loss they have experienced are TRUE–WITHOUT A DOUBT. I agree with you about the fact that it is WRONG for the birth certificate to be changed–I cried when our new birth certificates came because I knew a part of my child had been “denied” by that change. I wish “someone” would come up with a better way. But in the meantime, do I choose to not give love to a child because the world and the child’s past hasn’t been perfect?

      I agree that no matter how much I love a child and treat him as “my own” he will still have a hole in his life that will never completely go away. Those are not the things I take issue with. I completely agree that people who are considering adoption must go into it with their eyes wide open and their hearts ready to understand these issues. If anyone ever asked me about adopting, I would tell them exactly the things you are saying–because they are the facts.

      The part I can’t agree with is when you said that it would be better to simply not adopt the children who are, for whatever reason, not able to live with their birth parents.

      My turn to ask you a question (and I’m not trying to argue, only to understand)…What I hear yo saying is that a child who cannot return to their birth family (for whatever reason) should not be adopted, is that your belief or did I misunderstand? Do you believe that they should languish in foster care and move into adulthood without the “anchor” that a loving family could provide. I’m not talking about an adoptive family who has adopted for selfish reasons or who ultimately hurts the child more by their own actions due to their own internal issues; but a family who is in it for the long haul, selflessly giving of their lives and love to a child. Even if it’s hard and it hurts, isn’t it better to have the love and support of a family committed to loving the child? I really am interested to hear your thoughts about this. Although I realize we may not see eye to eye, as an adoptive mom, I am glad to hear another viewpoint on the matter, and I value your thoughts.

  8. One point I would like to make clear.

    It is not the adoption that causes the loss. The loss has always happened prior to the thought of the child being adopted. The family unit that was there at birth (or prior) is already dissolved by the time the adoption comes about.

    The children I have adopted had already lost their families months before I ever dreamed of adopting them. The fact that they were subsequently adopted did not further their loss. This is true. What would have been a real loss is if they had languished in foster care for the next 14, 16, and 17 years moving from foster home to foster home until their foster parents and social workers no longer had memories of their birth families. I am able to relate stories of my children’s first families to them. I can tell my son that his fingernails grow fast and long just like his birth mom’s. I can tell my daughter that her hair is long and beautiful, just like her birth mom’s. I can tell them the things that their birth mom said to me.

    Had they not been adopted, they would be on their 12th foster home (at the rate they were moving) and their umpteenth social worker who would have lost track of the birthfamily by this point. I admittedly cannot replace the birth parents, but at least I can preserve the dignity of that first relationship and help them understand why it wasn’t able to work. I AM NOT causing more harm by having adopted my children.

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  10. Ryan…it’s clear that you are very spiritual and religious..which is fine. By all means, love God’s children…welcome them as His children. But then, perhaps your money would be better spent helping ALL of God’s children than one or two that you bring into your home.

    Honestly, I’d hope that you’d WANT to hear anecdotes…not quite sure why you want to silence my responses in that way but ::shrug:: to each his own, right?

    Yes, we are much more than biology. But you cannot dismiss it so easily. It does count for more than you’d like to think. Imagine a child growing up not knowing who they look like. Can you even grasp the pain that the child must feel?

    As Lori alluded to in her comments, adoptees are given falsified birth certificates. With the names of our adoptive parents listed as our “biological” parents. Is that okay with you, as a Christian, for that to occur? Is it okay that adoptees have to beg the court systems for access to OUR heritages?

    To hear the callous way you can say that the “first family is trivial”, I can tell that nothing I say will get through to you. And I’m sad for you. And sad for the children you will bring into your home. I’m sorry if that hurts, but God doesn’t want you to erase a child’s beginnings.

    My mother carried me in her womb for nine months. Spent a night with me in the hospital..agonized about her decision…until I was placed in the social worker’s arms and whisked away to another home, the bond between us wasn’t trivial. And it’s not trivial now.

    I really could care less what you think of me Ryan….I’m sure I’m just being ungrateful…shouldn’t I be glad I wasn’t aborted?

    I said it above, I’ll say it again…please read other adoptees blogs and educate yourself on the other members of the adoption Triad.

  11. Lori,

    Regardless of what my tone might have been, I DO know that adoption is a necessary evil. I know that for now, it is here to stay.

    I respectfully disagree that adoption doesn’t cause loss though. Again, I suggest Nancy Verrier’s “The Primal Wound” as it speaks to this very subject. It doesn’t matter if your foster/adopted children came from abusive homes…the wound is there..the wound is real.

    You (I mean the “general” you) may not realize how much the adoption has affected the children because they are trying to hard to assimilate into the family…not making waves…after all, they were abandoned once (sometimes twice, three times..more?)..why not again?

    I do appreciate your candor….I’m not going to hijack Ryan and Noel’s blog anymore though. I hope you’ll visit mine…I’d love to discuss this more with you.

    In peace,
    Cricket

  12. Noel– this is so cool to read and sense your heart– and in Ryan’s responses above, too…I’ll be praying with you…let me know when there are specific needs or moments I need to lift to the Father. Blessings– and grace, with hope,
    David Head

  13. I am an adult adoptee, and I’m also the mother of two adopted children, one with special needs.
    I am so grateful that God put me in the home I grew up in. I wouldn’t trade my parents (adoptive) for anything. Also, my husband and I can’t imagine life without our two girls (now teenagers). Don’t become discouraged because some people have had bad experiences that color their perceptions. Some people have bad experiences with their birth families, too! It’s exciting that God is leading you this way.

  14. Thank you for sharing your heart and your life! I am so excited for you and this is the first time I’ve visited your blog! I’ve followed your father off and on over the years and have been praying for him during this season. Hadn’t checked his site for a while and when I checked, there was a post about your blog. So I clicked on over and am so happy that I did.

    I’m so sorry for Cricket, for the grief you have endured over your adoption. I have dear friends who have gone through infertility and I grieved with the wife as she struggled through that season. They finally turned to adoption and it has been the most amazing journey. They adopted twice and each was different, though both were open adoptions. Of the first adoption, I have had the privilege of meeting the birth mother. I have gotten to know the grandparents. They all attend every birthday and are part of the celebration. The birthfather is not as involved, though I have also met him. In every instance, there is a celebration of life. This child knows he’s loved. I’m sorry, Cricket, that you haven’t experienced that.

    The second adoption has been different, though it, too, was an open adoption. The birth mother had other children and determined that she couldn’t care for another child. The birth father was not in the picture. The adoptive parents were at the hospital during the delivery and took the baby home from there. There has been no contact with either birth parent since the birth. We know there will be questions later and we pray we are able to answer. I say ‘we’ because I am privileged to be part of the community of family and friends that have been involved in their lives. Again, it was an open adoption and she will have access to her records.

    That said, I’m so excited for you, Noel and Ryan, and this season you are now entering, this journey you have begun. It will be hard, but at the end of the day, you’ll hold that special little one, smelling that wonderful baby smell, as they sleep in your arms and all of the grief, the pain, the doubts, the wavering will disappear and you will know God is so very good. I pray that God will bless you and this baby, that His grace would cover all and fill you with His peace through this time. I pray for that special child that you welcome into your family, that God would bless you as you raise him or her.

    Thank you again for sharing this. I’m glad to have found you and will follow, and pray for, you through this time.

  15. My husband and I are big followers of your father’s website, and what a blessing it was for me to read this entry. I rejoice alongside of you for God’s goodness to your growing family. Thank you for challenging and encouraging me in a HUGE way.

  16. Great post. You might enjoy this blog by a mom who has adopted multiple special needs kids:

    http://urbanservant.blogspot.com/

  17. Sorry to butt in on this discussion, and not wishing to cause offense, but can I just point out that – technically – not being able to conceive during 12 months is NOT (necessarily) infertility.

    Not being from the US, I also don’t understand when you say that you couldn’t afford to adopt a ‘normal’ child, even though from what I gather you were trying to conceive a normal child. Are adopted children more expensive, or is it the adoption procedure?

    So, my mild warning to you is – if you can’t afford a special-needs adopted child AND a conceived child, don’t carry on saying that you are infertile without medical ‘proof’, because you’ll end up believing it… and running the risk of ending up with both.

    (I know a couple who were at the final hurdle of adoption when she fell pregnant… this possibility needs to be taken seriously.)

    I also think that your exchange of views with Cricket betrays some potential problems or misconceptions:

    1. If you believe that genetic makeup and heritage are NOT important, you haven’t been reading Chronicles, Luc 3 or Matthew 1 recently. Seriously, to my mind, you can’t just glibly trot out “God has adopted us, so we’re adopting children and genetic makeup has nothing to do with it”. She is totally right that you need to read up on this. I’m no expert, but ALL the anecdotal experience of adoptees amongst my acquaintances include a VERY difficult time during adolescence where they have an imperative need to find their roots. This is difficult for them, and difficult for the adoptive parents too. Maybe ‘genetics’ was the wrong word to use, as it seems to have particular resonance with you.

    2. Your original post, and comments, do emphasize (understandably) what YOU want, and what YOU want to do for children and for God. They are a bit hazy on details about what that child might want, what they may grow into, how they will handle things. At times you sound a bit like an engaged couple talking about their future – lots of hope and emotion, not a great deal of detail. Of course this is entirely NORMAL, and maybe we should just leave it at that, but I believe Cricket was trying to gently point out that the risks – that you mention in passing – are very real.

    Your blog post starts out with your impatience, and ends with you being convinced that God’s will is something that caters for your impatience, (and even for your budget). That sets bells ringing for me. Judging from your About page, your biological clock is no where near run down, so the urgency is coming from the inside, not the outside.

    You’re quite right to not want to enter into a big decision without knowing what God would have you do, but currently I would hazard that it is probably impossible for you to be ‘impartial’ on that matter.

    A big decision taken quickly is rarely a good one. Please take your time, ask other people who know you well but aren’t so emotionally invested; people who aren’t afraid to tell you things you don’t want to hear, who care more about you than about what you think of them.

    God bless,

    Ben

    • Ben,

      Your comment is patronizing. Why leave a comment implying that we haven’t thought through the issues you have stated? You come across as just an internet curmudgeon who has nothing helpful to say. That is unfortunate. We have ‘real life’ people we are getting advice from, and we are trusting their counsel in our lives. You telling us about our “infertility,” is laughable, and once again, insulting to my wife and me.

      Furthermore, you are being theologically naive, and quoting the genealogy of Jesus actually hurts your argument. Joseph was not the “biological” father of Jesus, but yet, was his link to the line of Jesse. Jesus was indeed adopted by Joseph, who had no legal right to accept responsibility for Jesus.

      We all share our identity as children of God. Genetics has nothing to do with it. We are living as new creations in the “present evil age.” The present evil age values such things as genes, skin color, economic status. Christians value the fact that God is remaking the world where those things don’t matter, and what matters is our communion with Him and with each other.

    • Ben,

      Thanks for stopping by. There are a few points in your comment that I wish to clarify. Most reliable sources will tell you that a classic definition of “infertile” is a couple being unable to conceive after 12 months. Infertile and sterile are not the same thing. I do not believe my husband nor myself is sterile, but I do believe it has been 12 months of purposeful trying to conceive with no pregnancy, and that would be medically classified as infertile.

      I’m unsure if I said something in my post to give you the impression that I would not like to have a child biologically. While I do feel that adoption is my top priority right now, if I were to turn up pregnant (and yes, I’ve heard those stories too), I would not consider it a burden, but rather a blessing.

      You said “Your original post, and comments, do emphasize (understandably) what YOU want, and what YOU want to do for children and for God. They are a bit hazy on details about what that child might want, what they may grow into, how they will handle things.” I’m a little unsure of how to respond to this. Of course my post emphasizes what I want, and I cannot really speak for what the child might want because I have never met this child and am truly taking the first steps (as my title suggests) in this process. Maybe there will not even be a child. I don’t know. This post was my way to let my friends and family, as well as anyone else that came across it, know what God is doing in my life. I fully realize that adoption is hard on children – I’m sure the word “hard” is putting it lightly in some cases, but I still feel very strongly like it would be better for that child to be adopted into our loving home rather than grow up in foster care.

      You say, “At times you sound a bit like an engaged couple talking about their future – lots of hope and emotion, not a great deal of detail.” I guess that is a good description, because at this point my husband and I do have lots of hope and emotion and not a lot of details. Again, we are at the very beginning of this process. We are going into it with our eyes open and gathering lots of information and doing lots of research, but yes, we are also excited and hopeful. I think those are acceptable emotions.

      And, lastly, as my husband has already said, we have sought the wise counsel of friends and family, and are continuing to do so. I don’t always think it is a bad thing to enter into a decision quickly if it is something God has commanded us to do.

  18. Um…not to be a bitch here but you said you make 12 grand a year COMBINED. Isn’t that below the poverty level? I make more than double that and have NO children and sometimes it can still be a struggle.

    How do you plan to take care of children (especially disabled ones) without the financial resources to do so?

    And has it ever occurred to you that some of the parents who had to surrender these children might have done so for the same financial reasons? I wouldn’t doubt some of them make even more than you do.

    Again, not to be a bitch, but I’m just genuinely curious since money does make the world go round.

  19. kateiskate..apparently Kentucky covers the majority of the costs with “Special Needs” adoptions.

    Sigh.

    ~Cricket

    • I really meant the clothing and feeding of the kids that takes place after adoption. I rarely have the extra cash laying around to buy myself a new sweater or a new pair of running shoes. And I make a lot more. Raising kids is expensive. I think they say it costs somewhere over 100 grand over the course of eighteen years.

      And if the kids are special needs and require therapy, treatments, special equiptment, medications, etc, it does seem like it would get really expensive. And it is very interesting to me because I know a lot of children are surrendered to adoption BECAUSE of money issues such as these.

      It’s actually a tiny bit ironic.

      • I would just like to point out that although many children are given up for adoption due to financial constraints, that is not always the reason with Special Needs children, which is what we are considering. The definition of Special Needs, at least in our state, is primarily used to cover children that have medical issues or have been victims of abuse, as well as children that are simply old. So assuming that we are going to be putting a child back in the poverty-stricken state they were previously living in is not necessarily correct logic, at least in our situation. And of course, as a previous commentor has pointed out, we have not even met any future child of ours, so it’s impossible to even draw conclusions about our adoption right now.

      • Right and I understand that. The point I was trying to make is less about where the child might come from and more about the expensive nature of medications, therapy, and treatments for special needs, older children, or victims of abuse.

        I’ve read a couple blogs from people who actually terminated their adoptions after adopting special needs kids and realizing it was too much for them emotionally, physically, and financially. I would hate for that to happen again to anyone. Especially a child who has so much more to overcome.

        I would add a link but I cant remember where I saw the particular stories I’m mentioning. If you google “adoption resolution” there are probably quite a few stories about it.

        Not trying to be negative here. Just realistic.

  20. Just a tiny bit?? ;)

  21. R/N,

    Wow, did not realize there were such intense feelings on the issue. We come from an adopting church so many of our church families have adopted children or one of the parents was adopted. So, Praise the Lord! adopt as many as you can afford, raise them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord and when they stir the emotions of the house cause they wonder about their “first family” (odd term) then deal with it without “exasperating your children”.

    A family has to deal with issues whether the children are adopted or not, it is how you deal with them that counts.

    The Lord weighs our hearts and motives for our actions, so keep that as a check to the feelings that are driving your decisions. (as an aside, the movie Blindside does a good job of asking that Q).

    Praying for you two and your parents.

  22. I never knew that there were such great costs associated with just adopting a child!

    This is a really brave step, guys. I don’t know that in your shoes I’d have the courage to do the same. But unlike some of the haters here (who are undoubtedly projecting onto you their own tragic experiences, which are not to be belittled, but also should not be assumed to be universal), I can’t see how this would be anything but HUGELY positive for both you two and your adopted children. I wish you all the best!

    • I’m not a “hater” and I really don’t see any other “haters”. There are a lot of costs to be assumed with raising any children, much less those with special needs!

      I can totally see at least one way that it’s not totally positive for the child. It’s called a loss of their natural family.

      Boo yah. Didn’t think of that did you mackeroni?

  23. Ryan & Noel,

    Congratulations and best wishes! Don’t be discouraged by the negative comments. They do have points that need to be considered, but if we’re talking anecdotally, I’ve heard both positive and negative stories (mostly positive) from those who’ve been adopted.

    kateiskate,

    The irony is your logic, not the situation.

    You said, “A lot of children are surrendered to adoption because of money issues.” You state this as something you know, but I’m not sure that’s really even knowable. Do you have research to back this up? It would probably be better to say, “my guess is…” or something like that.

    But even if a lot of children are surrendered because of money issues, you don’t know if this is true of the child the Cordles will welcome into their family. They’re just beginning. They don’t even know the situation of the “possible” adoption yet, so how could you?

    This is what really grates on me regarding those who say “adoption is always evil.” To say that means that you think you know everything about every situation anywhere. I grant that sometimes adoption is wrong and there are terrible abuses and mistakes. But that doesn’t mean all adoption is evil. If you have a beef with how your situation turned out, then warn people of the specifics of your situation. But don’t pretend that you know everything about every situation.

    • This study by the University of Queensland found that relinquishing mothers were “predominantly in the lowest income group”.
      http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:7920

      This article says that “The decision to relinquish a baby appears to be a consequence of an unwanted pregnancy experienced by an economically deprived single mother”
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2208982

      This article talks about the coercive tactics agencies use on pregnant women. Including, guess what? Using poverty to convince women they aren’t worthy of their babies.
      http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyce

      This one says “Poverty is the leading cause of relinquishment”.
      http://www.birthmothers.info/infant.pdf

      Do you need more links? Because I would be happy to provide them for you. I wish I made it up. It would be nice if all women had money and support to raise their children. Also, I’d like to correct you. I did not state this information before as a fact because it is pretty much common knowledge. But I forgot that not everyone is very educated in adoption, so that is my fault and I apologize for assuming that people such as yourself would know. You are forgiven for your assumption that my adoption was awful and I somehow have a beef with it in general.

      For a family of TWO, the Federal Poverty Line is 14,570. For a family of three (I’m assuming two adults and one child) the poverty line is 18,310. Which is six grand a year MORE than this couple is making. All I’m wondering is how they plan on supporting their special needs child on such a small income.

      http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml

      Also, I NEVER said “adoption is always evil”. You are the only one who said that.

      I also agree that I DONT know their situation. Which is why I asked.

  24. You are in for a great ride! I adopted two special needs kids, as a single person who currently makes little more than you guys (I’m a missionary). It was phenomenal.

    We all, adopted or not, struggle with various issues surrounding our families and childhood. As a parent, I have decided simply to do what I can, with God’s help, for my children … and leave the things I cannot hope to address, such as the loss of biological families and birth culture, to God.

    My kids are a tremendous blessing to me and I to them.

    Godspeed on your adoption journey.

  25. What of life after the adoption is covered? Kate, Cricket, and Ben have brought up very valid points. It saddens me that it would seem that no one wants to hear what they have to say. It also makes me slightly ill to see the dismissal of a child’s heritage, genetic makeup, and history because of your religious beliefs. Don’t count on your adopted child never feeling these things are important just because you are so flip about it.

    Kate brought up finances. In 2009, I believe the poverty line in the US for a family of 2 was 14,570. for 3, it was over 18000. Once the adoption is covered, how do you plan on addressing the needs of a special needs child, even if you are given help from the state on some level. As she mentioned, there would likely be dr’s visits, therapies, all sorts of things that require money.

    I believe firmly that adoptees have already lost everything in their world, they shouldn’t be raised in poverty on top of it, especially a child who has special needs. I would have been happy to be raised with my poor natural parents. But being raised by dirt poor strangers was just salt in all the other wounds.

  26. Sociologists are saying that “Colorblindness” is the “new racism.” The fact of the matter is, while God all sees a soul, genetics and ethnic heritage provide a very relevant context for finite beings on earth. Differences provided to us from our biological heritage are beautiful. It is when we ignore the heritage of others that we get into forcing assimilation and “ethnic cleansing”–not the other way around. As an adoptee, to hear adoptive parents say biology or original heritage do not matter, hurts. It makes me feel as though the biological heritage I share with my own son is somehow unimportant. As a Christian, I completely disagree that this is how God wants us to treat each other, as if our individual uniqueness and ethnic heritages should be overlooked when they are certainly very relevant to our lives and how we experience the world around us.

    When you find a rapidly growing tumor in your body and are an adoptee with no family medical history, some how biology manages to matter a whole lot then too.

    To say that all of the orphanages in the world would be empty if everyone sought to adopt demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of how the 3-billion-dollar-per-year-industry works. It is because of the already-overwhelming demand that there is to adopt children that there is so much corruption.

    Spiritual adoption speaks of our reunion BACK INTO God’s family. It is the complete opposite of physical, earthly reunion where families are disassembled in order to create new ones. Spiritual adoption has very little to do with physical adoption whatsoever and I feel that the Evangelical Adoption Movement is very misguided on this one. Instead of seeking to adopt the children of others, I would hope my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ would be more focused on treating others how they would want to be treated and keeping families together. Not all children who are given up for adoption or are in orphanages are there because they need to be. Many are abandoned by impoverished families whom no one would help and by women who were convinced by others that their poverty or marital status would make them “selfish” parents.

    Have you tried another doctor? I have never heard of a doctor requiring any kind of testing before giving Clomid before. I too struggled with infertility for years before giving birth to my son. My husband and I never once had to pay for a rediculously priced fertility test–or receive any test for that matter. Get a second opinion.

    • I’m sorry if I implied that I would be in favor of completely overlooking my child’s heritage in an attempt to be “colorblind.” This is not true. I feel like if my husband and I do move forward with adoption and are placed with an African-American child, for example, there is no ignoring his/her race, and I would not want to. But I also do not want to make it an issue. To me, it seems far more important to teach that child about his/her heritage as a member of our family (as in teaching him about his great-grandfather who moved to Ohio from Kentucky, or telling her about the doll that sits on our bookshelf which once belonged to her great-great grandmother), rather than continually make him/her feel like an “other” by emphasizing how he/she is different from the rest of us.

      And no, I have not tried another doctor and do not plan to. Although hitting the one year mark was the impetus for looking into adoption, I do not want to adopt simply as a last resort. My husband and I currently feel led to adopt, infertile or not.

      • An adopted child’s heritage and culture should be honored. That’s not making it an issue, it’s honoring something very important about the adoptee, it’s about taking one less thing from them. There’s a reason that adoptees are singled out on family trees as being adopted. We don’t carry our aparents genes. Their history isn’t ours. I did enjoy hearing my amother’s stories about her family, and their history, but never considered it mine, because it wasn’t.

      • You didn’t imply this. I felt like one of your husband’s comments did. I didn’t realise there were individual reply buttons until now or I would have replied directly to him.

    • “Spiritual adoption speaks of our reunion BACK INTO God’s family. It is the complete opposite of physical, earthly reunion where families are disassembled in order to create new ones”

      This is incorrect. Jesus disassembles families all the time. The idea of “family” is vastly secondary to faithfulness in Christ.

      • So, your Jesus decided to disassemble my natural family and place me in a family of abusers?

        ::shudder:: Yikes.

      • I didn’t say that.

        Jesus in the gospels is clear. “Family” is not his primary concern.

        Something like whoever doesn’t hate his mother can’t be Jesus’ follower.

        Let the dead bury the dead. And so on.

        God is reconstituting what “family” means. So that someone who is a different race, or a from a different economic status can now be my sister. And not just”spiritually” my sister, but my sister. That’s the good news, and I am sorry so many Christians here are missing it.

  27. Patrick emailed me to read this blog. We are one of the families blessed by adoption from his church.

    My best friend was adopted herself from Korea 38 years ago. She was a 3 year old abandoned by her “family”. But there were people who would take her in and care for her – feed her, clothe her, and give her a home here in America. As Cricket points out, she lost her heritage – but what heritage was it – homeless and begging in the streets? She has no desire to find her “roots.” She knows and embraces that the people who loved her and cared for her are her real family.

    Ryan and Noel – there will always be people on both sides of the story – ones who hate adoption and ones who are thankful for it. The same goes for biological kids as well – some will love and respect you, others will hate you no matter what you do. Cricket will probably not adopt a child in need because of her experiences and it is good that she does not, but there are many positive adoptions out there. You need to follow what the Scriptures say and how God is working in your life. Adoption is not for everyone. Special needs is not for everyone. You know what the Lord has put in your heart.

    As a quick personal story – because of my relationship with my friend, I wanted to adopt. I knew that if she had never come to the states, I would not have the best friend that I love. I wanted to provide the same opportunity for another – someone who would become a friend or a spouse to a child who otherwise would not survive. My fiance felt strongly about adoption as well. So we had planned to have our own biological kids and also adopt.

    I totally understand what you are going through – we tried for about a year unsuccessfully and then went through some basic tests. We were told that it was impossible for us to concieve. Although it was heartbreaking at the time, it was a blessing in disguise. It meant that we needed to adopt immediately instead of later. What it really meant was that our son had already been born and was ready to be adopted. He was in a Romanian orphanage and was considered “failing to thrive.”

    I can’t explain the joy we experienced when we first held him. We heard that it was the same feeling you receive when they place a biological child in your arms. All we knew was this was now our son.

    We went on to adopt 3 more children – another from Romania and 2 from the Ukraine. All the children know that they are adopted – we have never kept that a secret. They look at scrapbooks and videos of our trips. Next month our oldest son (now 15) will be going back to Romania to see his homeland and help with missions and orphans there.

    To sum up, we have been blessed by the children God has placed in our care. 16 years later God decided to give us the impossible biological child. (We attribute that to the prayers of our 8 year old who regularly asked God for a baby sibling!) I can tell you first hand, there is no difference in the love we have for all our kids and no difference in the way they treat each other. We know that they are a gift!

    • Poverty was her life situation, not her heritage. Korean is her heritage and it entails rich and beautiful traditions and culture.

      With so much secrecy in adoption, how can we judge First Families so harshly? Many children “abandoned” in orphanages were left there by parents too impoverished to feed them and didn’t know what else to do. This is hardly something we can scoff at them for or judge them over.

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  29. While I don’t feel the need to dignify those who attack my family with a response, I will clarify the income issue because I figured this would be thrown back in my face.

    Yes, my husband and I are technically below the poverty line.

    Yes, Kentucky covers virtually all costs of Special Needs adoption, so that is why money is not much of an issue there.

    While we are below the poverty line financially, this is because our employer provides many expenses for us. We are in full-time ministry, living where we work, and all our basic needs come out of our pay (housing, utilities, basic food, basic clothing are all provided), thus our take-home pay is not very much. We use what we do take home for any extras. Sure, this already means sacrifice while it is just the two of us, and it will mean even more sacrifice with children in the picture, but it’s a choice we made knowing that someday we wanted children and when we put it on paper it is feasible. We work with dozens of other families with multiple children in the home. Nobody is starving or living in squallor. Nothing even close.

  30. concerned parent

    It took 15 years before I had my first child. You’re panicking after only 11 months, and unable to afford $1,600?

    Listen to God. You are not meant to have children at this point in your life.

    • Dumbest blog comment I have seen in a while.

      How about, we’ll take the advice and counsel of our pastor, family, and friends. How about we’ll search scriptures for truth. How about we’ll search traditions of the church.

      I do not believe listening to an anonymous blog commenter equals listening to God.

      Dumb.

      • With all due respect Ryan, why not also listen to some of the voices of the adoptees who have lived through adoption and who continue to deal with the aftermath?

        I know that nothing anyone says (save the commenters who agree with you of course) will matter to you or to Noel, but instead of referring to people as dumb, how about taking a minute to ponder the fact that there may be those who know more about the effects of adoption than you or your supporters here?

      • Let me clarify.

        I am saying “blog commenter” = “voice of God” is dumb.

        How about we listen to people with whom we have relationships?

  31. concerned parent

    Just wanted to shout out to Ben above….you’ve done an excellent job of presenting valuable information. I’m not surprised to see there are those who are threatened by your words, because people don’t like hearing “no” from God. Hopefully, they will calm down and read your words carefully, and learn from them.

  32. Noel,

    Congratulations on moving forward with adoption!

    My wife and I have also adopted through the State’s (in our case Texas’) foster-care system, and our children were considered “special needs” due to their race/age/sibling group status, but they do not have any handicaps.

    I’m surprised at many of the commenters negative reactions. I think they’re well-intentioned, but I am equally well-intentioned in telling you to ignore their comments.

    Adopting through the State is essentially free, and some states even give an ongoing (if modest) subsidy for special needs children who are adopted. Our state provides medicaid for them until they’re 18 years old.

    Further, so many friends (and even people we didn’t know) showered gifts upon us for the children because they wanted to help out, that we have never lacked for clothes/food/whatever.

    Has it been hard at times? Yes. Do our children look different from us? Yes. Will they wonder one day who their birth parents are? Yes. Will they feel a loss from it? Probably. Are we the parents that God has given them? Absolutely. And we wouldn’t change a thing.

    Finally, I would encourage you to consider using natural-family planning and speaking with a doctor who is well-versed in it (Creighton model or other): Investigating your fertility doesn’t have to be expensive, and NFP can really help. (Last year, my wife and I conceived and gave birth to a son, who joined the family with his three adopted siblings!)

    May Christ graciously bless you,
    Devin

  33. I’m an adoptee and my view of adoption has changed throughout my life stages; varying from positive to negative, rinse, repeat and ending up somewhere on the fence. I’m not trying to belittle you, your beliefs or your desire to raise a family but I must say that after reading how much you have voluntarily chosen to make as a joint income, why are you even discussing adoption? Most adoptions are incredibly expensive. Although I was adopted over 30+ years ago, at that time my adoptive parents paid well over $5,000… also no small chunk of change for the time. That was only for expenses incurred BEFORE I was born. Doctor and hospital care for my birthmother, hospital care for me once I was born, lawyer’s and court fees as well. I was by no means a special needs child or even sickly but I can only imagine the costs incurred to raise me; baby formula, diapers, clothing, shoes, medical care, schooling and all the little odds and ends that really add up. It’s no surprise to me then that adoptions today can cost upward of $30,000. And this is the price tag prior to the birth of a healthy baby. You’re talking about adopting a child who will need far more than that. I urge you to do more research on what it will cost over the life of that child to take care of him or her.

  34. I find that a lot of the comments are being called “negative,” simply because they disagree with you.

    I did not have a bad childhood experience. I had loving adoptive parents who provided for me all the material posessions in the world I could ever hope for. They also gave me love, support, guidance and an incredible spiritual upbringing and love for God.

    That being said, my skepticism of adoption is not based on a “bad” childhood experience but the desire for other people to know adoption in its entirety. I’d think someone who would want to take a child into their home would want to know all sides of the story and everyone’s opinions. I’ve read adoption laws across the U.S. and have read piles of books and empirical research on all aspects of adoption. It does not always add up to an ethical equasion, I’m sorry to say. Whenever someone is willing to listen, all I ask is that people approach adoption with an open mind to everyone’s experiences and ideas and an ethical attitude. This is not about me and my pain but because I want to make things better for the children who may one day walk in my shoes.

    The shoes of the adopted are not always easy to walk in. Positive childhood or not.

    For many of us who are reunited, when we hear insults on biology or the impoverished First Families (speaking also of the comments here, not just your post) of others, we also spring into defense mode. My First Mother was a poor, single mother without resources. She approached a Christian adoption agency (currently the largest one in America) for help and got nothing of the sort. I won’t burden you with her story as you are already upset. But I hope fellow posters here will understand that there’s a lot more to the original families of adoptees and that these women should not be generalized or judged.

  35. I must say that I am interested in so much concern for their financial state. I suppose if they had natural children, no one would even care how much they make. In fact, you would applaud them for taking care of their kid instead of giving him/her over to the state.

    From Ryan and Noel’s posts and responses, I think an observer would see 2 loving parents in a ministry field, supporting their children with food, shelter, and most importantly love and stability, depending on God for their extrodinary needs.

    So what makes it such a travesty for 2 commited people who can’t have natural children to desire children and to counsel and plan to take in otherwise unwanted children and make them their own? Are they just being selfish? I think those posting forget that these children are already born, already alone, and already unwanted.

    It is a blessing the state would financially help, but right now the state is paying for the kids anyway. All that changes for the child is that they have a place they can call home and people who are giving part of their lives to them.

    To those that complain the cost is too great – how much was the last car you purchased? What about the electronics in your house? What type of cell phone or ipod do you have? What have you sacrificed to help these needy kids yourself?

    It’s so easy to criticize others. But here is the difference – Ryan and Noel know that they will be giving up luxuries – maybe a vacation, fancy clothes, eating out, but they know that what they are spending their money on will make a difference in a life.

    It’s not about how much someone makes to qualify them as a good parent. A person with 6 figures can be an absent parent even though their kids have the best clothes and latest gadgets.

    Before you complain of the cost they are making, ask yourself what have you done.

    Have you been to an orphanage oversees? Have you seen several kids in the same bed? Have you cleaned and put salve on the blistering sores on babies not cleaned or changed? Do you have foster kids in your house? Are you mentoring a child who doesn’t have parental involvement? Do you even sponsor a child financially? Have you volunteered hours helping the handicapped and special needs? (I’m not talking about a one time donation to Haiti or sending in $5 to Special Olympics. What are you doing with your LIFE to help others?)

    Katie stated earlier:

    “I’ve read a couple blogs from people who actually terminated their adoptions after adopting special needs kids and realizing it was too much for them emotionally, physically, and financially. I would hate for that to happen again to anyone. Especially a child who has so much more to overcome.”

    I fully agree. There is much to consider with adoptions, not just financial, but emotionally, physically, and I think Katie left out spiritually. This is a decision that Ryan and Noel have to consider carefully, not romantically. They need to do this, realistically and before God. Can they do it on the salary they have? Yes. Will they have the lifestyle that America prizes? No. Will they have a child or children that they will love? We hope and pray so. Is the sacrifice worth it? Absolutely.

    Before you tear someone down, look at your own priorities. This world is not about us. It’s about Christ.

    Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    • Aha. Therein lies the irony Kate spoke of. You illustrated her point beautifully.

      To quote you “It’s not about how much someone makes to qualify them as a good parent. A person with 6 figures can be an absent parent even though their kids have the best clothes and latest gadgets.”

      That’s what I would like to tell all young expectant mothers that stand to be victimized by adoption agencies, lawyers, or anyone else who stands to gain by talking a child right out of his or her mothers’ arms. Because they aren’t hearing this. They are hearing how selfish it is to even ponder raising their own flesh and blood when they don’t have financial stability. There is this glaring double standard in what is ok in an adoptive family vs natural family.

      • I agree with your point. For there are “bad” adoptions out there. There are mothers who are pressured into giving up their child. There are people who look at this as a way to make money. Horribly, there are even mothers who look at this as a way to make money! But just as I concede there are problems with the system, there are many good and above board adoptions out there. Don’t throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater (pun very much intended!)

        However, the point of most of these blogs is not Ryan and Noel stealing a baby away from a loving family, it is how “dare” they adopt when their salary is “poverty level.”

        That is the point of my arguement. What and how they choose to spend their money – i.e.: raising a child – is their own choice. Buying nice running shoes may be someone else’s priority.

        For me, I applaud and wish them well. May God bless them with much joy and satisfaction knowing that they put another’s needs above their own.

      • Amen sister! I’m so glad someone understands what I was getting at. For a second I was starting to believe I was crazy!!

  36. Adoption is great! Good for you.

    I am feeling very hurt and vulnerable today, so I would just like to say–I know you’re in pain, but I don’t have much sympathy for you. That’s because at least you’re married. I am 32 years old and still single. I don’t even have a husband, which you have already in your twentysomething years. Be thankful for what you have! Sometimes I cry and cry because I don’t know why God allows some people to get everything they want and others to get nothing. I had a terrible family growing up, and now I have no family. At least you have a good family all around.

    I am just venting here. Please forgive my anger. But I am in agony, and some days I just want to scream, so *somebody* out there will hear me. Sometimes I think God must be a pretty cruel God to give me the desire to be married and not fulfill it.

    I try to not be an angry bitter person. I know Jesus is changing me for the better here. But some days, it just hurts too much. But I *will not* marry an unbeliever. I know God doesn’t want that.

  37. Wow. I am stunned by the negative reactions here. Assertions that somehow adoption actually begets more orphans demand some proof, not just naked assertion. It is incomprehensible that some people seem to believe that adoption somehow causes post hoc the loss of the birth family, or that special needs kids are better off in foster care than adoption. I wonder what lies behind this thinking in terms of life experiences.
    After we couldn’t have a fourth child, we considered adopting from Ukraine, where most of the kids in orphanages aren’t orphans. I met a 15-year-old recent adoptee who still has living family, and she surely wasn’t hankering to get back to Mariupol.
    As for sociologists’ deeming “colorblindness the new racism”, I don’t consider their opinions worth noting.
    God bless you on your journey, wherever it takes you. BTW, can we assume that the $12k is only cash, and that you receive other considerations, e.g. housing?

    • Yes, $12K is the salary, plus we are compensated with housing, food, insurance, childcare, schooling, etc.

      Thanks for your comment. I’m glad there are some reasonable people who choose to comment!

  38. It’s supply and demand. The more people willing to buy expensive babies (note prices mentioned above for white gerber baby) the more money is spent on advertising and coercion of pregnant women in crisis pregnancies to “do the right thing” and place.

    They spend literally millions of dollars researching techniques to ensure that more women are placing babies.

    This is usually money spent on convincing pregnant women to place new borns. Fresh from the womb babies are in high demand.

    I don’t think any one here is looking to participate in that dynamic and older child adoptions are not touched by the same coercive tactics as newborn adoption. (Though they are touched by a few different ones)

    Considering you are not paying money, you aren’t going to be contributing to the child trafficking-ish aspect of infant adoption in America. The concern in your case wouldn’t be so much that you CAUSED the separation, but to remember that your child will have four parents.

    Two of whom may have loved that child equally or more than you. You really can’t know. So just remember that if you become a family member of a child, that childs extended family becomes your family.

    Would you let your child hang out with an Aunt who was using drugs and violent? No. But would you still honor that Aunt and love them as a family member? Yes.

    I think it’s easy for adoptive parents to say, “We got rid of those pesky original parents, woohoo now the kid is ALL OURS!” and it’s viewed possessively. That child might not see it that way. Just remember not to feel threatened that there are two other parents who may in fact at some point be every bit as “real” as you are to the child.

    It doesn’t have to be a competition. It’s not, “well I worked harder than you and I kissed more booboos so I’m more real HA!”

    There is enough love for a child to love more than one parent. More than one mom, and more than one dad.

    Those are just some thoughts that I think apply to your situation, however I do think of all forms of adoption it is most ethical to adopt special needs, although I take issue with the term “special needs” to an extent.

    Kids who were adopted as older kids are growing up and speaking for themselves, so it would be a really great idea to listen to what they have to say! I was adopted as a newborn so I can’t say I’m savvy in the world you’re entering. There are some great blogs, and great writers out there to learn from!

    I would urge you not to erase your child’s past heritage though. Genetics matter nothing to me. What matters is the love that was shared with human beings who still matter even if they aren’t there. A mother and father whose love, whatever amount they had for their child, still matters and shouldn’t be erased.

  39. “How about we listen to people with whom we have relationships?”

    Because sometimes others have different perspectives on things and it’s not wise to keep your (in the general sense) head in the sand and pretend that there may not be issues that you haven’t thought of.

  40. Praying that all works out well and that you continue to be filled with His peace about the adoption.

  41. All people who want to adopt should be given complete psychological examinations to determine if they are capable of humanely raising a child. Too many children have ended up with unstable people. Just because you have the money to buy a child, doesn’t mean you should.

    All children relinquished for adoption should be given legal representation in court and assured that their original identities (birth certificates) are not sealed and kept from them and that they are ensured regular contact with their biological relatives.

    If prospective adoptive parents cannot agree with the two statements above, you SHOULD NOT ADOPT.

    • Obviously you have never adopted or even looked into the process.

      There is something called a home study that is required before you can adopt. Adopted parents jump through many more hoops to get a child than just paying money.

      All our children were given legal representation in court. We have their original birth certificates. We know who their birth mothers are.

      So I guess that prospective adoptive parents do have to agree with your statments above or they COULD NOT ADOPT.

      Research, not opinions if you don’t have first hand experience. I suggest the first hand experience. It takes a lot to invest in another human being’s life. Try it!

      • Adopted parents jump through many more hoops to get a child than just paying money.

        And yet there are still lots of abusive adoptive parents

      • The homestudies don’t have nearly enough hoops. As Weaver said, there are still plenty of abusive adoptive parents out there that somehow managed to pass.

  42. Kimberly, I do understand where you are coming from. I wish the poverty issue was the only thing that made me shake my head. It wasn’t. As an adoptee, even seeing someone write about how they consider a child’s genes and history trivial horrifies me. To me, that is completely demeaning to the little person that would be brought into the situation and has the potential to cause much pain down the line. The child in question may well grow up to feel very very differently from their adoptive family. We aren’t clay to mold.

    I do know that special needs adoption isn’t infant adoption. I know that life happens, and financially stable people do not always stay that way. But I can’t fathom putting a child who has already experienced such a primal loss, who has special needs of some kind, into a poverty situation and have to deal with the challenges that brings on top of everything else.

  43. Well this post and the comments did give me something to think about…

    http://addiepray.wordpress.com/

  44. concerned parent

    Interesting that the prospective adoptive parents are consistently negative and insulting to the adoptees who have posted.

    How many of these adoptees had adoptive parents who also thought they knew everything, and knew that *their* adoptee would always totally agree with their ignorant, un-researched assumptions?

    Listen to your future. This is what your adopted children will say in 20 years.

    On the other hand, you could take advantage of the path you’ve been given, and become more committed as missionaries, able to go anywhere in the world at any moment, endure any hardship to care for entire orphanages at a time, because you won’t have parental responsibilities keeping you focused only on the few people in your home.

    Is this about serving God, or about serving your own desires?

    If you can’t stand to hear the experts because they’re telling you some painful truths, it’s pretty obvious what the real answer is.

  45. “How many of these adoptees had adoptive parents who also thought they knew everything, and knew that *their* adoptee would always totally agree with their ignorant, un-researched assumptions?”

    ::raises hand::

    • Raising my hand too.

      My amom had no clue then, and is even farther from a clue now. And had anyone attempted to provide her with one, she would have effectively stuck her fingers in her ears, stomped her feet, and refused to listen.

      Adoptees are professionals on the subject, whether we want to be or not. But we are most often the most ignored on the subject. Especially if we don’t tow the party line.

  46. I’m a fan of your dad’s blog and I enjoyed your post. I was a little surprised at the directions the comments took.
    We all have a built-in longing to belong, to be a beloved child and to have a father claim us. It is so painful when that eludes us.
    I love that you and Ryan feel moved to extend that loving protection to a child. God bless your journey!

  47. So Anha you said -

    “To me, that is completely demeaning to the little person that would be brought into the situation and has the potential to cause much pain down the line.”

    Concerned parent you say -

    “…endure any hardship to care for entire orphanages at a time, because you won’t have parental responsibilities keeping you focused only on the few people in your home.”

    And Cricket –

    “Adoption equals loss. Loss of heritage, loss of medical history, loss of the Original Birth Certificate…”

    OK – I know and understand what you are saying. But here is my question that none of you will answer – What do you do with the children who are already abandoned. The real unwanted children who have no first family support or love?

    Let me understand – you are saying it is better for a child to be in an orphanage or under government care than with an adoptive family?

    I guess that’s the point. To you adoption is ALWAYS and in every circumstance wrong in injust.

    Do we want kids to stay with their biological families? Of course! Do we want to help mothers take care of their kids? Absolutely!

    But there is something in this world called sin. It breaks up families. It makes mothers abandon their kids. It causes men to leave their responsibilites. Until that is removed from this world, there will always be kids in need.

    Your solution seems to be – leave them there. It’s better off for a kid’s psyche to grow up completely unwanted than to be adopted by another family.

    • Lol..my adoptive parents jumped through the hoops and passed their home studies too…and promptly began abusing me from the very start.

      I’m not naive…I know that there ARE mothers and fathers who cannot (for whatever reason) be there for their children. But why the rush to adoption? Why not place them with legal guardians…why erase the names of their natural parents off of the birth certificates? Why the secrecy surrounding medical records?

    • Yes, I said that, and I stand by it. I fully believe that no one should have to sacrifice their identity and become 2nd class citizens in many many places just to have love and care. I do think it’s absolutely demeaning when I see adoptive parents, or potential adoptive parents completely dismiss a child’s biology and history for whatever their reason is. The reality of the situation is, we weren’t conceived or birthed by our adoptive parents. We came from different people. And that should be honored. We aren’t blank slates to be molded to our adoptive parents specifications.

      Of course my solution isn’t to leave children in care. Not liking adoption doesn’t mean I want to see children suffer. I am well aware that there are children out there in true need, that genuinely don’t have anyone else. But I still fail to see how adoption as it is practiced is necessary to provide these children with what they need. Perhaps it’s time to truly explore why that stamp of ownership is even needed, and who exactly it is needed by.

  48. For all the adoptees that have posted about how adoption is the wrong way to go, what would you propose would have been better for you? Would living in a foster care system been better? Is there any statistics that shows foster care children are happier at age 30-40-50-80 then children who were adopted? We obviously can’t change the fact that children are already given up for adoption, but I find it hard to believe that living “in the system” could be better than living with 2 people that have devoted their lives to Christ.
    Children are abandoned by several factors all over the world: money, selfishness, death, rape, country laws regarding number of children per family, etc. Because of these factors there are children that need love and support above all else and either way we need to find a solution.

    • why, thankyou for telling us adoptees, all who live adoption and most who write about it and reserch it, what causes child abandonment, we never would have known otherwise. Maybe you should read our blogs sometime.

      • Weaver..I’d suggested that in some of my earlier comments..but again, the suggestion fell on deaf ears.

        It’s easier I suppose to classify us as un-Christianlike or the byproducts of sin than to actually sit and read what we are saying.

        It’s frustrating, but not unexpected unfortunately.

    • Foster care certainly wouldn’t have been any worse for me than the household I grew up in…and my parents were “Christians” too, by the way.

    • I may well have had a better shake of things raised in the foster system. I was abused by my Christian amother while my Christian afather stood back and let it happen. As was my abrother. In fact he got it far worse because he wasn’t good in school, or with music. To the outside, my aparents were pillars of the church and the community.

      I know why abandonment happens. I got the joy of experiencing it first hand.

  49. This is my first visit to this blog- have been following internetmonk (the blog of Noel’s dad) for nearly 2 years. Have carefully read all the comments and can see some validity in all the points made- this is indeed a complicated subject which can easily be overly simplified or romanticized- by prospective adoptive parents as well as by adoptees at various stages of their life journey. I was a social worker for over 10 years, in a public agency in VA. As it was a small rural area, I worked in many different areas: investigating child abuse and neglect complaints and following up on founded cases (trying to resolve issues, provide education and support and resources in effort to prevent removal of children from their homes); foster care; and adoption. I cannot speak with any authority about private agencies; certainly wherever there is a lot of money involved, there is more potential for an abusive system. My agency earned nothing for adoption placements. I can only recall personally making one or two placements of an infant who was voluntarily relinquished by the parent ( and by the time I left, we also had to have relinquishment by the biological father, if his identity could be determined). I also had some knowledge of a few infant placements by other social workers. These mothers did not relinquish their children for financial reasons (they would have had Aid to Dependent Children, Medicaid, continuing support from a social worker.) Rather, it was generally a painful decision based on wanting to give that child what they could not, because of substance abuse, mental illness, or other situations that they did not feel could or would improve. Sometimes, fear that they would not be able to control their own predispostion to abuse as their own parents had. (Yes, genetics are important, and are not always overcome by love and good intentions.) These decisions were painful for the social workers as well- though certainly not as painful as for the biological parents. I was involved in a number of adoption placements of older children, including sibling groups and “special needs”. These were children who had come into foster care because of abuse and/or neglect or abandonment, and parental rights were terminated by the court only after exhaustive rehabilitative efforts. By the time I left that job (because it was too painful, because I had compassion fatigue, because I had my own children who needed me) there were state laws and policies requiring that parental rights could only be terminated after such exhaustive efforts, and that the parents had legal counsel at all stages, and that each child had legal representation in the form of a “guardian ad litem”. Though poorly paid by the state, I have generally found attorneys to be quite passionate and thorough in the role of guardian at litem. The law also requires that first consideration be given to placement with relatives, and that if the child went into foster care with non-relatives and then parental rights were terminated, foster parents were to be given strong consideration to become adoptive parents if they chose. These laws and policies reflect federal mandates tied to funding for social services programs. I later worked in public mental health, with mentally ill adults, for over 20 years; I continued to have contact with children’s services (social workers, therapists, etc) as I was again in a small rural area; clinic staffings included the child therapists and some of my adult clients had children. I have also continued to have occasional contact with some of the children from years ago who had gone into foster care, then adoption. Usually, they are looking for information on their roots. There was the young woman, pregnant with her first child, who had gone into foster care as a baby, and was eventually adopted by her foster parents. She got my name from another former social worker; her foster/adoptive parents had given her the first social worker’s name. I remembered her (could see the fracture lines on the x-rays, the words “subdural hematoma” on the doctor’s report, as we talked) and told her what I remembered. She had visited both of her biological parents and decided she would never leave her own baby alone with either- but that she would maintain some kind of contact. She was glad to hear that there were a lot of decent people among her relatives and she planned to connect with as many as possible. Another young woman (similar situation) recognized me as she served me in a restaurant. She knew who her “other” family was and was curious to know more. I helped her obtain copies of whatever was left in her Social Services chart and together we revisited another former social worker, and the schoolteacher who had first reported abuse concerns. Then there is the young man, first met when he had been in foster care for nearly 3 years, who has come in and out of my life for more than 30 years. After a silence of a couple years, recently heard from him that finally, they (he and the several siblings adopted by another family) had found the youngest sibling and they are all in touch on facebook, with hopes to meet soon. Though he has at times expressed the whole range of emotions and concerns of adult adoptees, he is now at a place where he can honestly say “Wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now.” For the adoptees that have commented, I pray that you also will arrive at that place. You have raised some valid points which I pray will be given prayerful consideration. And to all, I would ask that you consider something I have learned the hard way, looking back on situations where I unintentionally made things worse, others where I know all my agonizing and hard work was worth it, others where the best I can say is “I did the best I could with what I had and what I knew at the time”- SOMETIMES THE ROAD TO SOMEONE ELSE’S HELL IS PAVED BY YOUR GOOD INTENTIONS.
    Please- all of you- be gentle and humble and learn from one another.

  50. I first want to say that Noel, I’ve known you for years, and I loved reading this blog. It was so emotion-filled, I can see exactly where you are coming from.

    I am an adoptee. I was adopted at 6 months old. My birth mother did not, at all have the capacity to raise me when I was born. She could have provided love; However, she had more mental demons that would prevent her from raising children, even though she gave birth to three. She could not afford any children, either. My situation is definately one of the more unique situations, well maybe not so unique because I feel all adoptions are unique.

    One of the first points that I want to stress is that I thank God everyday for being adopted. I’ve offten thought about what my life would have been like otherwise. Growing up, I didn’t always feel this way, but I also didn’t fully understand everything either. My adoptive parents are older. They were 40 when they adopted me and had come out of previous marriages and were newly married. My mom has 4 children from previous marriages and my dad also had 4 children. All of my sibling were older than me. My oldest sibling is 19 years older than me. When I was adopted, 4 of the older children were still living at home, and it was the youngest. My parents had just suffered a late miscarriage and I believe I came along at just the right time.

    My parents had just started going to a new church and one day a woman ( my biological mother) walked up to my parents and said “God wants me to give you this baby.” It was something my parents thought over and prayed about and the rest is history.

    Growing up as an adoptee wasn’t always easy. As I hear though, growing up with biological parents isn’t always “easy” either. My parents age played a factor after a few years, and I did have a nanny that raised me for a few years. My adoptive parents had their faults, as we all do. I was sent to boarding school (OBI) at 13, and spent all 4 years of highschool there. At the time, I didn’t understand everything. I grew up with a lot of resentment towards my adoptive parents for not wanting me around, and romanticized my biological family especially my birth father, because there were a lot of facts about him that were unkown. As an adoptee, I will say that I grew up feeling like a piece of me was unkown or unanswered. Who did I look like? Where did my talents come from? My adoption was open and I knew my birth mother for most of my life as a “family friend!” What I didn’t know was my biological father. I knew his name, a few facts such as where he was from (Texas) and I had a few pictures of him, I knew I looked like him, but that was it. My birth mother never would really talk about him… I found out later that my birth parents were in their mid-twenties when I was born and had been married twice to each other. It was not a teen pregnancy situation or anything such. From age ten on, I felt this ignition of feeling, of needing to know more about where I came from, sometimes seperating myself from my adoptive family.

    When I was 18, and in my freshman year of college, the need-to-know overwhelmed me. With the resource of the internet I began searching. Within a few days, I had found my birthfather. We began conversing on the phone, it was unbelievably surreal, as if I were living the screenplay of a Lifetime movie. My adoptive family seemed supportive and on-board, but I know now that they were secretly hurt at my search.

    I found my birthfather in February of that year, by March of the next year, I found myself on a plane to Texas to meet my birthfather and his family. When I met him, I’ll never forget it. When I looked across the street and standing right in front of me was the man I had thought about nearly my whole life. He looked like me, we even (unfortunately) share the same weight problem! I was only suppose to visit for a week. That week I would like to say it was like a “honeymoon experience” no romance, of course, but I fell in love with this new “family” that bought me things and superfically made me feel welcome. I made a life-changing decision to move to Texas, to get to know my birth father.

    Let’s be clear, I was NOT giving up, or replacing my adoptive family. They ARE my family and will ALWAYS be my ONLY parents. I needed to fulfill the searching, that burning feeling of needing to know my heritage.

    Three years later, I don’t regret the decision to meet my birthfather, or to even move here, but he wasn’t everything I pictured, and I do realize, without a doubt that God’s plan for my life was to be adopted. My birth father abandoned and left me stranded here. I have not spoken to him in 2 years and we live in the same town. Mostly because of oppositions from his new wife, and her daughter ( I am the ONLY biological child.) They could never get use to the idea that I was his biological child, and just could not make room in their family for me.

    There’s a lot that’s left out of this story, so much to write. I want to tell you both Noel and Ryan that I support you and admire you in your decision. When I look back at my life, I am a strong believer in “Everything happens for a reason.” Good or bad, each event in God’s plan for our life if connected and always leads to the greater good. I know that you will provide a loving, compassionate home to a child that would not be able to have that in other circumstances. I know that every situtation is different, but I don’t personally understand the oppostion, being that I am an adoptee and haven’t had a perfect life… no one does. I have been blessed with ulitimately parents that loved me and that I love dearly, and now an extended “family” that cares about me. Just know that your child may grow up with a feeling of needing to know more about their heritage, but they will be YOUR child, they will love you as you love them. What you are planning to do is, what I believe a perfect example of Christian love, it does not place boundries on ownership, but loves freely and unconditionally. You will be in my prayers and I am a definite supporter.

  51. “For many of us who are reunited, when we hear insults on biology or the impoverished First Families (speaking also of the comments here, not just your post) of others, we also spring into defense mode.”

    *raises hand as well*

    All I will say that if someone has commented on what you perceive to be negative, it is NOT necessarily because they had a bad childhood, bad parents, or bad adoption.

    Adoption is not a math equation in which a child’s happiness is determined by one factor – things are not that black and white.

    I’ll echo Amanda here: “I did not have bad parents. I did not have a bad childhood. I did not have a bad adoption. But having to end up in the situation to BE adopted is what hurts.”

    My adoptive parents gave me a childhood full of happiness. I have managed to get an education. Guess what? So did my kept biological siblings. They were not abused or neglected. They were not unwanted or unloved any more than I would have been, which is to say, not at all.

    To further clarify (for anyone who may be interested) please read this link:

    http://sisterheping.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/im-sorry-if-you-had-a-bad-experience/

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